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achanar moving north(slowly!).

Discussion in 'General Astronomy Chat' started by kevan hubbard, Nov 3, 2017.

achanar moving north(slowly!).

Started by kevan hubbard on Nov 3, 2017 at 2:29 PM

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  1. kevan hubbard

    kevan hubbard Well-Known Member

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    Just been reading that due to various factors including the movements the sun and its family through space, earth's wobble and achanars movement that achanar is moving north and in 500 years will be visible from Crete. It was one of the first magnitude stars unknown to the ancient Greeks.also unknown to the Egyptians too but it has progressed north now just rising in Cairo and on the horizon in Alexandria. We tend to think of the stars as fixed but 500 years is not very long is star time. They say in 1100 years achanar will be visible from southern England and Germany. To me it's always been one of those exotic stars that tell you yours far south,like canopus.
     
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    Excellent new candle to set our clocks' by.

    I love and thrive by such knowledge being added to the greatest puzzle of all. Keep em' coming & going!

    R & D


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achernar


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  3. Mak the Night

    Mak the Night Well-Known Member

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    Oh great, in a zillion years I'll be able to see galaxies and a song of the stars hitherto unknown. By that time I may even have saved enough for an Ethos.

     
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    Oh dear! Did you have another fight with that Porcupine you married, Mak?:D
     
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    Mak the Night Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, I went all Pina Bausch there for a bit. Must have been a flashback to my university days and getting all learned up about the performing arts.

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    OK, I may have interests outside of astronomy. I bet you never thought you'd see me say that!
     
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    :D:D!:D:D

    I'd foolishly just assumed you did! Most illogical! :eek:

    You'll have to forgive me. I've been off tormenting thos idiotic blow-hard God-like 'Mod-Squad' over in the Dark Lord's Manor. They have been tearing down posts by Yours' Truly and 'Nebula' for their "Dining & Dancing Pleasure!"

    And without a single word by way of an explanation. At least in my case. As for 'Neb'- your favorite 'PID' was in the middle of it - using Moonshane as his Provocateur-du-Jour. They said he was posting a 'conspiracy-theory' by addressing a thread on people's opinions of if there is 'life' in the Universe.

    So I'm busily calling them out as the UK's answer to ☭ ☭ ☭-Trolls. Referring to them as ☭-Comrade.....

    They're just about ready to 'crack-up.'

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    Is there anything those blokes won't argue about, delete, censor or ban? I just knew when Ray mentioned Brexit Stu Pididiot would claim the thread was becoming overtly 'political', which is against the rules of course. I've seen this rigid adhering to the rules by stick up the jacksy overly officious moderators before.

    I think Ray asked a fair question and astro gear prices have been jittery here since the Brexit bollocks up fandango. I wouldn't class it as a 'political' debate though, more economic really.

    'They said he was posting a 'conspiracy-theory' by addressing a thread on people's opinions of if there is 'life' in the Universe.'

    Maybe their tinfoil hats have unravelled? :eek:
     
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    More likely a blast of air coming out their ears whisked it off their heads?

    I know a way to fix that problem: Suggest a hammer and some nails to secure the tin-foil helmets atop their heads.

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    Amazing what those pinhead "moderators" can cause just in an astronomy-forum! Can you even begin to conceive the mess they'd create if they had any real power and were let loose in an international-diplomacy forum running out of the United Nations? Screw the 'tin-foil helmets' - we'd need very thick lead-foil whole-body suits! And the deepest diamond-mine in South Africa to call 'Home' for a few years.....
     
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    With stars moving I was reading a theory that the Avebury and Stonehenge stone circles in southern England had originally been aligned to alpha centauri and/acrux.It's thought in the neolithic period that those stars may have hugged the horizon that far north much as formalhault does now.acrux and alpha centauri are now so far south as to be invisible from anywhere in Europe. I tend to favourite solar and lunar alignments for these structures rather than stellar. I base this on the fact that the older structures of new grange near Drogheda, Ireland, and Maes Howe,Orkney islands, Scotland, are clearly aligned with the mid winter sun rise and the stone circle building culture seems to be a development of the elaborate passage grave building culture rather than a new culture moving in.
     
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    I think because of axial precession some classical constellations are moving further south. Canopus and a lot of Argo Navis were more easily visible from the Mediterranean a few thousand years ago. The Argo is slowly sinking south.

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    I'm not up on alignments of megalithic structures but most seemed to be oriented to the winter solstice I think.

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    Stonehenge has an odd feeling but Avebury has a great vibe to it. Nice pub in the centre of it as well. You can feel the buzz as you walk towards the circle at Avebury. I came away from it all Earth Goddess inspired. Although that might have been the real ale. I've visited some of the smaller circles still standing in Wales and Northern England. I'd like to have visited the Callanish Stones in the Outer Hebrides, but it's too far on the bus.



    Ladytron shot this video there. I know many of these structures were very lunar inspired and can calculate eclipse cycles. I don't know whether they class as the earliest astronomical observatories but our neolithic ancestors must have had a great knowledge of the night sky. I'm guessing it was important to emerging farming communities.

    Or it might have been Zeta Reticulans.
     
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    Danger .... danger ... Will Robinson ... stupid moderator alert!

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    Callanish is very impressive it's in the Scottish Gaeltacht and the signs to it are in Gaelic.there's about 2 buses a day to callanish from Stornoway, I got the bus and walked back. The rings of brogar and steness in the Orkney archipelago are also very impressive, Stromness is the nearest town.you have the carnac stone rows in Brittany, France, too,again infrequent public transport but about 4 buses a day from auray, again I got the bus there and walked back. Avebury is much more impressive than Stonehenge but is less well known! I spent a few days there a few years back and the skies are very dark,except to the north where the large mundane town of Swindon is,I was able to see m41 naked eye from Avebury. I'm guessing these circles probably where connected to a cult of the dead? Further away I've read that a huge void has been discovered in the great prymid of Cheops.
     
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    It's too far on the bus from Worcestershire though.

    I've walked completely around the Avebury stones. No one ever visits Swindon apparently. I don't think it actually exists, a bit like Brigadoon or Bridgend. Bridgend is a mythical place in Wales where the tylwyth teg skinheads live. Supposedly they come out at midnight on the full moon and vomit a lot before mugging travellers.
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    Silbury Hill, like the pyramids, is obviously a Zeta Reticulan base.
     
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    Sadly you have to visit Swindon to get the Avebury bus and I can confirm that the town exists!silbury hill has a void but I believe treasure seekers dug this (they found nothing). Silbury hill seems to have a large sister mound about 15 km to the east called the Marlborough mound. It's about half the size of silbury hill lying in the grounds of Marlborough school.the Marlborough mound was originally thought to be the remains of a medieval castles keep but now it's known to be much much older around 5000 years in fact!now the tops of these hills could have been used by stargazing holy men?
     
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    I'm pretty sure I've heard of the Marlborough mound. There are a lot of barrows/burys still extant. I can see a neolithic barrow from my living room window.

    I don't know about stargazing holy men.

    I've been to an eisteddfod or two, sometimes there are bards and druids.

    My guess is that most of these barrows were defensive hill forts or some were burial chambers.

    Or Zeta Reticulans.
     
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    Generally burial chambers. The early ones are curious,like West Kennet long Barrow south of Avebury in that they had passages in them and bones but the bones belonged to various individuals and no whole remains of one person was found!this suggests a ritual use and that the bones where removed to be used in these rituals. West Kennet, and the more mysterious and never excavated East Kennet, long barrows where closed and sealed before Avebury was built.I reckon that a turn in religious direction must have occurred?a pagan reformation?
     
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    It's difficult to even speculate. They had different priorities to us I suppose, like being able to eat enough to survive and not dying prematurely.

    There's evidence Stonehenge was some sort of healing centre that attracted people from all over Europe.

    The Indo European Celts inherited a lot of these sites but the sites themselves mostly predate them.

    It's impossible to really say who built them and for what purpose.

    Unless it was Zeta Reticulans lol.
     
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    Stonehenge may be very ancient. Huge wooden poles,possibly like totem poles, where found buried in the site of the car park. Carbon 14 put their origins back to the Mesolithic period.if so it suggests the site had been in use as a sacred site long before the huge stones where erected.
     
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    I saw a really good documentary on the origins of Stonehenge not so long ago. The site seems to have had natural features which made it a sacred site even before treehenge.
     
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    Ollantaytambo is a very impressive site too, with many tightly fitted blocks weighting many tons each, then raised up the mountain. Some people assume this architecture it's pre-inca architecture, me, I believe it.

    Heavy blocs abandoned along the way,
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    Wow.
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    I am not sure we have the technology today to carve directly into the mountain, Very impressive carving technology.
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    High precision blocks
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    I hope you liked the pictures.
     
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