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Discussion in 'General Astronomy Chat' started by kevan hubbard, Jan 14, 2017.

astronomical travel.

Started by kevan hubbard on Jan 14, 2017 at 1:48 PM

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  1. kevan hubbard

    kevan hubbard Well-Known Member

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    In Auckland,New Zealand, at present. Sadly no southern stars to be seen ....yet.I was however treated to a great view of the 'super moon'from the plane window twixt Kuala Lumpur and Auckland. Some kind of wide bodied air bus but not the double decker 380.if it's clear tonight, cloudy at 1043,I may take a hike up to 'the dominion'a park within an extinct volcano as the cricket ground there,during my daytime wander, looks the best place for stargazing in central Auckland.obviously when they're not playing cricket!!off to Wellington tomorrow and hopefully picton,south island, but time is running out!
     
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    I can now report that Auckland's dominion park is only semi suitable for stargazing. It's about 2km from the city centre at it's closest and thus has a lot of light pollution above it.however I did still enjoy views of crux, canopus, akanar and managed to spy NGC 4755,the jewel box open cluster,in crux and split acrux with only an 8x25 monocular. Sadly due to them being low omega centauri and 47 tucana escaped me.sadly the dominion has roads open to the public and a lot of sports cars,to what purpose I can only guess!,are driven around dangerously and parked up in secluded spots.given the vast amount of roads for motorists to drive on perhaps Auckland city council could consider closing these at night?
     
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    If they closed those roads, could you still get up there? I'd like to visit N.Z. one day; I bet one might drive out away from the city and find bright, clear skies, eh?
     
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    You could still walk in!great views of the southern cross,false cross and alpha and beta centauri last night from my overnight bus Auckland Wellington. Strange seeing Orion upside down and our circumpolar star capella skirting the northern horizon!
     
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    Kevan, I'm sorry to bump an old thread but I was just reading & envying whatever career choice affords you such access. Many of us are restricted by age or other limitations to our particular corner of the world from which to observe. Occasionally, I have the opportunity to visit my son in Germany and I hope to have a ST-80 to take next time, but he lives on the Neckar and their horizons are around 30 degrees so their sky is limited- even when there's a clear sky.
    Good onya and keep posting these exotic reports so some of us may enjoy vicariously! (Pix?)
     
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    Sadly I've never stargazed in Germany. It has the effiel(sic)mountains dark sky park near Aachen and another fairly close to Berlin. I'm going to speculate using my fairly poor Teutonic geography but the necker is down Stuttgart way? I'm sorry to say Germany is mainly a country I've passed through coming and going on trains to other places but have had looks around Berlin, koln, Aachen, Düsseldorf and by accident Frankfurt an de oder when I got thrown off a train that I didn't have a reservation for!it's not to be confused with the famous Frankfurt am main!
     
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    Frankfort am Main as I recall it, was on a relative plain? Better horizons there but outrageously light polluted, as is much of Germany I imagine. While I enjoy my rare visits to Southern Europe, I long to see the "Southern Cross for the First Time" (Eagles)...
     
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    I think Europe is the only continent on earth where you can't, from any part, see the southern cross?I reckon that you'd need to be round about southern Algeria way for it to rise?however you'd stand a better chance with the star canopus, I suspect that about Athens, Palermo, Valletta and Gibraltar it must start to crawl above the horizon? I always love seeing canopus tells me I'm in more southerly climes.
     
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    I was just reading an article on Canopus - one I've never seen myself. The article was published in the UK - I think, and said no way from there. I haven't got a map-in-hand here, but the cut-off for spotting Canopus is: 37°N.

    Ah! Found the critter - here's the article:

    Star of the Week - Canopus.pdf

    Enjoy the Pdf. I made of the article from Earthsky News!

    Dave
     

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    Read it Dave and as I'm at 34 degrees, next clear night, I'll drive out to my spot 8 miles west of town and look for it, thanks!
     
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    No in the USA I'd guess some point south of about Durham, north Carolina, in the west San Francisco to see canopus even then it would be very low scraping above the horizon. From England it would be impossible as even the scorpions tail is on the horizon. That's what mystified me about those low m objects m7/6 etc,how messier managed to see them from Paris at 49 degrees north but of course there would have been no light pollution then.Paris is about the same latitude as Seattle and London a bit further up.the gulf stream gives these places a mild climate so we don't realise their high latitudes.
     
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    With the Gulf Stream slowing as the temperature continues to rise - which is now on an exponential-curve due to this phenomena - the entire European land-mass will turn into a solid block of ice. Including the Med. and Baltic. There's no basis for argument on this - despite the "Fake News" of the current regime.

    What Kevan wrote is accurate. Most Americans' perception of the European land-mass isn't thought of factoring-in it's true latitude. Most people here, as public-schools are being defunded, don't know what "latitude" even means. Such things are not within the cirriculum.

    I've never been further South than North Carolina, except once I made it to Arizona but had no gear with me and it was a fast visit, and I was in Raleigh with bad light-pollution all around me (in a hospital-bed for a disabling condition). So that bombed for me as a stargazer.

    But my nephew has recently moved to Florida from the Netherlands! Perhaps it's about time his 'good-uncle' comes to make a pest of himself! :p "Hey, ah, David? Are you expecting a truck-full of gear and telescopes?" :eek: :D!

    Poor kid!

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    Now from Florida you'll see canopus but the southern cross?even Mediterranean Europe is at high latitudes in north American term Marseille lines up with Halifax Nova Scotia image Popeye Doyle in Canada! Rome with Boston, New York city with Naples, Italy. Although anchorage does manage a high one lining up with St Petersburg aka Leningrad/Petrograd which is the most northerly city on our planet with a population of over 1 million.
     
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    The US mainland won't get away un-iced from the slowing of ocean-currents either. As our weather-patterns come in from the West, you can thank the Humboldt Current - which moves a mass of warm-water up to Peru, and though it drifts aways - it does affect the weather in the Northern Western-Hemisphere, too. And that, too, is slowing (of course).

    My Evil Cabal of 'Fake-News Scientists' had foreseen this mess back in the early 1970's. We were considered 'kooks' by the scientific-illiteraci of the day - but they were open to learning. So at least we had some good years wherein science was honored and believed.

    Now it's treason to discuss it - if you get a paycheck from Lord Voldemort.....

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    Interestingly, global warming was predicted by one or two 19th century British scientists and possibly first mentioned on screen in the movie Soylent Green based loosely on a novel by Harry Harrison.

     
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    Plus it looks like the huge Larsen b ice shelf may break off Antarctica.
     
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    I don't swim too well these days ...

     
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    I've seen the film quite long and drawn out.I've read the theory that in the short term global warming will cause a cooling in the northern high latitudes I'd guess in the high (or would it be low?)southern latitudes too?this happens because ocean currents transporting warmer water all the way to places like Murmansk shut down. However I see no evidence for this yet only warming everywhere as the routes across the tops of Canada and Alaska and Russia open to civil shipping. Antarctica and it's northern smaller cousin, Greenland, seem to be shedding their ice burden. This will cause the land under them to rise.
     
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    IDK, it was just a movie. I don't think it was the Turkeyworld that a lot of people made it out to be. Hopper was a great pantomime villain and whether the entire premise is bollocks or not is probably down to artistic licence.

    Oddly, in the UK I've heard that it's actually getting too hot for some vineyards in recent summers. The Romans started the original wine production in Worcestershire and Staffordshire apparently. Although the later Frisian Germanic settlers were more beer drinkers I think lol.

    Personally I think that the increasingly hot summers over the past quarter century or so will offset the coming ice age. But I've had brain damage. :D
     
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    Yes England can get quite hot,most people think it's weather is like that out of a Sherlock Holmes film,fog,rain,etc?but in fact it's rainfall is fairly low it's just that it is spread throughout the year instead of a rainy season so people notice it more.I'm guessing that the hottest part is the south east as it's nearest the continental land mass allowing high pressure to cover it in winter this could make it coldest too?archipelagos like New Zealand which are very far from any major land masses probably don't get very hot and should have a mild winter climate too.Japan is another one it's closeness to Asia and I think cold ocean currents give it a pretty harsh climate in Hokkaido but getting milder as you head south where eventually you'll reach 'southern cross island',sub tropical, yes the southern cross from Japan! Interesting the south west of England must be bordering on sub tropical for I was in Penzance, Cornwall, a year or so ago and it had lots of canary date palms and other exotic plants.as did Guernsey and sark when I went to the dark skies island.I was very lucky with the weather on sark,I think it was a January I went?,and had amazing views of the milky way. I used my naked eye there and an 8x30 monocular which I no longer own.
     

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