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galaxy viewing through tiny telescope!

Discussion in 'Observing Celestial Objects' started by kevan hubbard, Feb 21, 2018.

galaxy viewing through tiny telescope!

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  1. kevan hubbard

    kevan hubbard Well-Known Member

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    How's this for a collection of galaxies through a tiny 25mm/1" telescope? Had a nocturnal hike tonight in some nearby hills,dark green on my bortle map,and was only packing my Opticron 8x25 monocular but I managed to get the following galaxies under the belt,m81,m82,m66,m51,m101.I now find m51 quite easy and I suppose m101 is the most difficult as it's diffuse sort of a dim version of m33.didn't catch m33 and 31 as they have dropped rather low now plus there was cloud in that part of the sky which helped block out the half moon too!I shall have to try for m65 in the 25mm,I've had it in my 10x42 although I'll have to wait now for the moon to drop out of phase again.speaking of the moon very nice earthshine.
     
  2. Dave In Vermont

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    That sounds like an awful lot of FUN, Kevan!

    It's not 'aperture-fever' by any stretch, but it might be 'aperture-distemper!' :p

    Cool! I wonder what all I can stir-up with my Carton 4 X 12mm....?
     
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    I can only base it upon what my Zeiss 5x10 will show so I'm guessing that 4x12 will give a rather poor show.the m objects I've seen in the 5x10 are,m44,45,31,41,47,34,35 and I think that's it and believe me I've tried!seen Uranus in it too.I'd up to a medium quality 8x25 with roof prisms they pull in 20x more than the naked eye!I think the 5x10 would pull in many of the clusters in Scorpius and Sagittarius but for me they're very low and only available during the brief summer nights.10mm is only twice the size of an adult human retina so you can see the light collection problems.
     
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    I factored in the rather poor showing that I'll likely get from the 4 X 12mm Carton. But that's not the reason for wishing to try - it's all about, as mountain-climbers' give as a reason for their madness: "Because it's there!"

    Have Fun!
     
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    Indeed I have a high quality larger 10x42 monocular I sometimes pack on my hikes but the 8x25 is half the size plus I like to experiment with what I can pick up in the 8x25.I tend to take the 10x42 once the moon ceases to dominate the skies as it's the time to be looking for deep skies objects. I'm of the opinion that anything that the 42mm will show so will the 25mm but dimmer however this doesn't transfer down to the 10mm so there's obviously a optimum light collection cut off point. There's some nice 20mm monoculars out there which I've always been tempted by but never bought. The leica monovid is one I've examined many times yet it's a 5mm drop in light collection perhaps compensated for via high quality optics?
     
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    I found my silly 4 X 12mm to be very pleasing on Mars - which was tiny last Summer - and I say 'pleasing' in the way it intensified the color of Mars in spite of the annoying ambient, background lighting. My city - the largest in the State of Vermont with 40,000 people - is very sensitive to ALL forms of pollution, including light-pollution. Our few streetlights are mostly angled and sheilded to direct their emission straight-down. So my Carton 4 X 12mm had a fighting chance here, and it paid off nicely! I took a 'Mars Walk' every nice night available.

    I just realized something about this funky, little Carton: It's threaded and almost exactly the same size as a 1.25" Color-Filter, and others of course! You might even hear the gears spinning - if the winds' blowing in the right way. :rolleyes:

    Point of Trivia:

    Vermont has the smallest State-Capitol in the US, Montpelier. Last count: 8,004 people resided there.
     
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    4x should just show Mars as a little disk.I think Venus and Jupiter are the only planets that you can,just,see as disks with the naked eye?pretty sure mercury, Mars and Saturn can't be resolved into disks naked eye?light pollution isn't treated as pollution sadly in most places.if some one pumped strychnine into a stream they'd be fined but pump out light and nothing is done yet the evidence is the lights are altering the ecological balance of the earth by killing billions of insects. We don't tend to think about the streetlight industry but when you think how much money must be in it across the world. It's in their interest to fool us into thinking that violent criminals fear streetlights, although I'd point out most violence crime occurs in large well lit cities and not in rural places. It seems to me streetlights encourage criminals by allowing them to size up their victims, etc?
     
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    Vermont is a strange bird regards criminals. We have no gun laws here. Anyone can carry a gun - concealed or down the front of their pants. We don't care. So there is very little violent crime. Lowest violent crime rate per capita in the country! Don't grab that purse from the little-old-lady - she could well have a sawed-off double-barrel 12-guage under her shawl. In fact, I know one who does! Cecil - she's a former national shotgunning champion. She's great!

    The electric-department doesn't just go about willy-nilly sticking up streetlights. They have to be asked by a neighborhood-petition to get them to even consider putting them up. Even on the main roads here in my town - they are set-off by motion-sensors, and after the vehicle passes - off they go. In most places. I'm across the road from a fire-house though. The one out front there stays lit - but aimed downwards. No biggie.

    Oh yes - Bernie Sanders lives up the street from my neighborhood. He re-vitalized this town when he ran for mayor in 1982, as a socialist, and won. Before that - it was a dead mill-town with alcoholism as it's chief export.

    As I said, Vermont is a strange bird - in many ways.
     
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    Motion sensor lights are just as bad as the wind,cats,etc,set them off so they're on nearly as much as normal lights!I've never studied Vermont's firearms laws but I know that they're keen on guns in next door new Hampshire. Shotguns are rather too big to pack about town!i havnt fired a gun for years last was a friends over under 20 gauge shotgun.much longer since ive fired a handgun if i recall a .357 magnum revolver?yes I've seen Vermonts capitol building in Montpellier from a bus window going from Boston to Montreal it is quite small.Maine would seem to be the New England state to have the best stargazing but I'm guessing that it also has the wettest weather having a marine climate?
     
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    Yeah - Maine is wet & weird. Friend of mine spent a Winter living in a tipi on the very Northern-most coast of Maine. He didn't have an address. So to visit him I resorted to 'Map-Dowsing' a road-map and, finally, the many virtually unpassable roads & bridges of Washington-County, which had the distinction of being the poorest county in the USA. I spent a couple weeks up there - squatting his tipi and helping by chopping wood for the communal-fuel-suppy. Chopping wood is how you'd keep warm!

    Many of the people up there bought the very cheap land they found after they fled the disintegrating scene that was Haight-Ashbury 1967-8. They left the city, but retained the 'dream.'

    As for astronomy - I don't think there was a single clear-night. It blew icy-winds whipping up from the powerful tides of the off-shore Bay of Fundy, which was just off the coast. Along with New Brunswick Province of Canada. Stark, lovely, and ice-cold. And the most powerful tides in the world!

    Maine is very pretty. The people there are true 'Mainiacs!' Got to love 'em! Truly unique. I very nearly moved there. But I stuck with Vermont and we do have better skies. Springfield is the home to Stellafane each Summer. As they had built a new state-prison in Springfield - and these are usually lit-up at night with as many lights as Las Vegas - the State was very good at making sure they were all baffled to light straight-down ONLY! And - it worked!

    Don't ever let anyone say light-pollution from such things cannot be helped. It's an utter lie.
     
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    I've seen good pictures of the night skies from Barr island, Maine, and I believe that it may be an international dark skies park?Vermont has some very interesting and unusual international border crossings, although I think the zip wire between Spain and Portugal may be hard to beat?!,some private houses and shops have doors that open into Canada and vice versa. You buy you goods in the USA and exit in Canada! I believe that as these are fire escape doors the border police cannot nail them shut.I'm guessing that legally you are not ment to use these crossing but it would be very hard to enforce and you'd have to be really unlucky if a policeman was walking past as you walked out!
     
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    I know of Bar Harbor, Maine - on Mount Desert Island - and it can get pretty dark rather nearby. But not familiar with Barr Island. But Maine is a REALLY huge place. If you total-up all the inlets and coves and all - Maine has a coastline that exceeds 3,500 miles!

    Vermont is similar but not due to coastline, of course, but due to all the rises and drops from all the graduations you'd find on accurate topo-maps. Geography was a favorite subject of mine from around age 4. But I was horribly disappointed to find that the only geography-related lesson in the public-school system was to draw a map showing the shape of of the continent of Africa. So information of such a nature as you and I are discussing would leave most people here shaking their heads and saying "Tsk, tsk, tsk, these poor fellahs' are obviously crazy!"

    Regards Canada & The Untied Snakes Border~Follies, my favorite is around the Vermont town of Derby Line. The town-library straddles the border, so you can go grab a book in the US, check it out, and walk into Canada to read it.

    Of course though, by the time you go return the book and go back home into Derby Line - Federal DEA-Agents will have seized your house under the Federal Forfeiture Act under suspicion that you might have had a 'joint'* with you and are an International Narcotics Smuggler. Proof is upon YOU to prove you didn't. After 10 years of appeals and losses - you'll realize your BIG Mistake was, (can you guess?) - you came back to the Untied Snakes to return the damn book! :D

    There are cases like this all the time!


    * A 'Joint' is a cigarette rolled out of Cannabis Sativa or Indica - Marijuana. Legal in many states with a prescription from a doctor, but banned by the US Federal Gov.
     
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    I probably spelt it wrong bar not Barr island! One and the same place.Walking across the USA/Canadian border is discouraged but possible at a few places, rainbow bridge,Niagara falls,being the most common one.I had a friend who lived in the strange American exclave of point Roberts and they would walk into British Columbia to go to the shops,etc..probably the most walked international border crossing on earth must be the Vatican state/Italy in Rome.
     
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    I'll tell you a "delightful" story - later on when I get the time to write it - about what happened with another at another crossing-location that most are unaware of, and how & who abused it.

    I'd suggest using the interim period to install a seatbelt (4-point) on your chair. You'll see why soon enough.
     
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    Outside the major cities which sit hard by the Canadian/US border it's mainly woods and hills and I would guess easy to cross.it's nothing like the Mexican border, more chance of freezing to death than dying of heath stroke! In fact the media hardly ever mention the Canadian border.I suppose it must be policed but I've never seen much security at it.the border between Alaska and the Yukon is very formidable and only a maniac would attempt a foot crossing
     
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    In the Spring of 1990, my group mobilized North to the Mohawk Nation, having heard there were State Police & Provincal Police in the streets to "keep the peace." The Mohawk Nation straddles the US/Canadian border and across the St. Lawrence Riverway. It is a sovereign-nation - NOT a 'reservation.' The Mohawk have never been conquered. And never will be. And they have no customs in, or out.

    We arrived, having taken a large, comfortable room at a local hotel - owned by the Mohawk - and the New York Times was a next-door neighbor, and came to talk to us. They'd been given a broom-closet-of-a-room, while we had "The Presidential-Suite!" - as the Times reporters' called it. So who we were to merit this treatment was preying on their minds. I explained we simply asked for a room with space for others in the event we needed to take in any refugees from the situation going on. Which we wanted to find out about. News Reports just said, in effect, 'them bloodthirsty savages were on-the-warpath!' Uh huh...

    State cops everywhere, toting assault-rifles, ruled the roads warned us not to go in there. "It's a war-zone!" I'd called-in and was promptly given an invitation from Tribal Headquarters set up at the local 'Traveling-College.' We got an invite for the NYT's reporters, too, but they declined - citing the editor ordering them to only talk to the state-police. Chicken-feather's were flying as we drove away and went in-country. Crossed the St. Lawrence by bridge and went through Canadian customs. Were warned of the danger - again - and proceeded into The Nation. What this showed us, by interviewing the Mohawk themselves, was as follows:

    Freighter's on the Riverway were off-loading tons of cocaine, heroin, illegal-weapons, and sex-slaves in speed-boats and landing them onto the Mohawk shores - both the North(Canada) and South (US) sides - and, from there, driving this cargo into the USA and Canada. No customs existed in leaving the Mohawk Nation and entering the two countries. And the smugglers' were getting young Mohawk to work with them by getting them wired-up on the cocaine. The smugglers were NOT Native people. They were white.

    The traditional Mohawk 'just said NO' and demanded these people leave and never come back. The response was full-auto fire, replete with 'tracer-rounds,' and other military ordnance. Government stuff. The Tribal Museum, with artifacts dating 12,000 years, was burned-down. The editor of the Tribal Newspaper found his office' and press blown-up with US Army high-explosives. And all the while, the drugs and such continued to pour out and into the streets of the US and Canada. Neither government lifted a finger. Just sent in the state and provincial-police to enforce the new rules: No Mohawk interference with the smugglers. No carrying firearms. Tribal Police in lock-down inside their headquarters (food was delivered to them - McDonalds! Hurrah!). And no actual news-media reported a word. They were effectively under 'lock-down' too. Only my squad had had the nerve to go fetch the real story.

    So there's another way to cross the border without any trouble - just cross the St. Lawrence from Mohawk - and you'll be fine! Just walk, ride, whatever, to wherever you wish!

    Of course, this presumes you don't boat into a un-reported war-zone!

    Have A Nice Day! :)
     
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    I try and avoid war zones!although I did visit Sarajevo shortly after the troubles and was able to make a close study of the effects of shells on reinforced concrete I expect it's all been cleaned up now?the Canadian PM is visiting another kind of Indian at the moment and seems to have put his foot in it with modi a good few times! I expect a number of tribal lands are divided by the US/Canadian border?Canada is interesting from a geo political point of view in that it is a federation without a federal district. Washington DC and Canberra have their own quasi states around them but Ottawa is in Ontario.
     
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    The fact is the Mohawk being an undefeated svereign nation and being so recognized by the US government makes the Mohawk unique. The problem there in 1990 was stopped after I sat in the Tribal Council and explained to the Cheif what cocaine was and does to people to allow them to abandon their ways and duties as a Warrior, not to mention their entire sense of value.

    Once he understood what this chemical does to people, he understood the hold it had over the young Warriors. And by this knowledge, he knew how to break his people free from it. And that made them all stand together and run these drug-running jerks out of there - as well as the occupation forces of the state and provincial police.

    Most non-Native people have no idea of what a Warrior really is - having some bogus Hollywood idea rather than the truth. This can give people a good idea I've found:


    Zen Pencils - 02-07-2016.jpg

    So yes. Peace was restored - by force. I am welcome in Mohawk. It is a great honor to me. I'll leave you to figure out who had enough power to run drugs without interference from police agencies and, in fact, be given aid by police-agencies.
     
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    Maybe one of these will be easier to make out.
     
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    It is alleged that government organisations will often soften up groups with drugs.mk ultra was such a plan however it is said mk ultra was disbanded.......? Look at the Australian aborigines, they have been softened up with legal drugs,alcohol or grog as Aussies like to call it.now alcoholism is rampant throughout the outback and aborigines are said to sleep drunk out their wits in the dry Todd river in Alice springs, although having only ever been to Sydney and Melbourne I can't confirm this.
     

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