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Sirius mystery.

Discussion in 'General Astronomy Chat' started by kevan hubbard, Oct 14, 2017.

Sirius mystery.

Started by kevan hubbard on Oct 14, 2017 at 7:58 AM

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  1. kevan hubbard

    kevan hubbard Well-Known Member

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    kevan hubbard, Oct 14, 2017
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    I've just ordered Robert temples classic 'the Sirius mystery'from,I think 1976?,in it he claims that the dogon a tribe from Mali had knowledge of Sirius b.I've read the various sides of the argument. The debunkers claim that a French astronomical expedition could have told the dogon about Sirius b and or the myths regarding Sirius where misinterpreted by French anthropologists.the believers claim the the dogon believe that there's also a Sirius c,if it exists a dim red or brown dwarf star,and visitors from this star visited the dogon. If I can quote Columbo "there's one thing bothering me", for Sirius b to be a white dwarf it must have novaed at some point thereby sterilising any planets around Sirius a and b.however I suppose a hypothetical Sirius c could be as far out as proxima centauri is from alpha and survive?
     
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    Dave In Vermont, Oct 14, 2017
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    I wonder how many other instances of 'seemingly impossible knowledge' about interstellar matters are out there amongst so-called "Primitive" groups of people can be found out & about. It would be interesting to map these out - complete with time-lines - and assemble the findings. I don't think such currently exists anywhere.

    This just set off my Jungian psychology meters tuned to the 'Collective Unconscious' band. There! My scanners are tuned to find same now.

    Thanks Kevan - very interesting food-for-thought you've posted!

    Dave
     
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    Mak the Night, Oct 15, 2017
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    I read this years ago. It's a great story. Total bollocks, but a great story. I think it impressed Carl Sagan so much he wanted to beam radio signals to Sirius. I've got a feeling this was actually done.

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    Every time I see Sirius in the sky I wonder about the whole bollocks. Well, that and I try to find the Little Beehive. Sirius is only nine LY away though, more or less in our backyard. I guess I've become a debunker. It was inevitable I suppose lol.
     
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    kevan hubbard, Oct 15, 2017
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    Ian ridpath, an astronomer and debunker of the Sirius mystery, claimed that the dogon may have used averted vision to view Jupiter's moons and Saturn's rings.now averted vision allows us to see fainter objects so it's possible that you might spy Jupiter's moons using this technique but Saturn's rings?! Averted vision doesn't magnify even in a modern high quality 8x25 monocular I can just tell that Saturn is a strange shape but couldn't say for sure it had rings there's no way you could do so with the naked eye.in fact I find that the only planets that the naked eye will,just,resolve into disks are Venus and Jupiter.
     
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    Mak the Night, Oct 15, 2017
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    I read a few of Ian Ridpath's books when I was still at school. He seems a clever bloke. I think all the von Däniken bollocks is great and I read most of his books when I was about eleven. He 'borrowed' a lot from T.C. Lethbridge. I'm a huge fan of Lethbridge and many of his theories. Although I was introduced to Lethbridge's works by the books of Colin Wilson (another favourite author of mine).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Charles_Lethbridge

    https://web.archive.org/web/20120724144948/http://www.tc-lethbridge.co.uk/home/

    I've read extensively on the Sirius bollocks, and I admire the whole modern mythology of it, but everything claimed can be explained rationally. The Dogon aren't and weren't half as isolated as people assumed they were. They did have contact with western missionaries and other cultures. As I said, it's a great jackanory. But that's all it is.
     
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    kevan hubbard, Oct 15, 2017
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    Yes I've heard of t.c.Lethbridge he was a great fan of dowsing using a pendulum if I recall? He believed in lines of energy running under prehistoric sites?Mali may have to be put on my list of countries to visit! Been doing research on Madagascar but perhaps I'll change it to Mali!?
     
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    Mak the Night, Oct 15, 2017
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    He was an unconventional thinker and admitted much of his musings were conjecture. I think people like Lethbridge, Charles Fort, Colin Wilson and Jim Marrs are interesting. It's good to push the envelope sometimes. Of course, posting it to la la land freaky city isn't always a good idea either as it usually gets returned to sender.

     
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    kevan hubbard, Oct 15, 2017
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    I was and am an omnivore of occultism and strange phenomenon, and an Elvis fan!Wilson died recently he came to believe that spirits where behind poltergeist phenomena as the simplest Ockham's razor answer to the problem. I tend to think spirits,UFOs,the little people, etc,all represent the same thing but don't know what that thing is!I've kind of given up the idea, based on any technology we can conceive,that it is possible to travel between the stars.I suppose if I had to choose 'folded space'in dune would be my favourite method,'movement without motion'.
     
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    Mak the Night, Oct 15, 2017
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    Yeah, the universe is a mysterious place.
    MaxthonSnap20171016002022.jpg

    I don't trust creepy Zeta Reticulans either.
     
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    kevan hubbard, Oct 16, 2017
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    Interestingly Philip k.dick said he'd encountered creatures looking like grey aliens long before they became popular (adamski's Nordics where popular then)however dick held that they where human time travellers.
     
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    Mak the Night, Oct 16, 2017
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    PKD was wasted a lot though. Aleister Crowley also claimed contact with a grey-like entity. Probably Zeta Reticulans. lol
     
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    kevan hubbard, Oct 16, 2017
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    Ah yes Crowley's awisis does look a lot like a grey.if I recall he passed the book of the law onto Crowley...allegedly.
     
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    Mak the Night, Oct 16, 2017
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    A dastardly Zeta Reticulan trick I reckon. ;)
     
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    kevan hubbard, Oct 16, 2017
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    Crowley tried to set up his own thelmic religion based on awisis teachings a sort of mix of Egyptian mythology, the golden dawn,neo platonic thought, gnosticism, he doesn't seem to have been successful but time will tell.much of this stuff seems to originate with the neoplatonist,plotinus,who,if my memory is correct, was born in Alexandria in the first century. A lot of plotinus stuff got mistaken for Aristotle but plotinus,like Plato, is more leaning toward the esoteric side of things.in some ways Plato and plotinus mirror Jung's much much later idea of the collective unconscious.
     
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    Mak the Night, Oct 16, 2017
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    Crowley was wasted a lot though.
     
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    Dave In Vermont, Oct 16, 2017
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    He was actually a sex-motivated prankster. His books were how-to manuals for sexual-intercourse.

    69? 69? 69?

    Crowley bored me.

    evaD
     
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    Mak the Night, Oct 17, 2017
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    I think he was more than that Dave. Although I believe he was a bit obsessed with the tantric. He was raised in a strict Plymouth Brethren family, so that explains a lot. I think he had a lot of insight, once you got through all the bollocks. He'd probably front a heavy metal band now.

     
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    Dave In Vermont, Oct 17, 2017
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    No one has acheived Samadhi by meditating on their repressed, Victorian penis.

    Woof.
     
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    Mak the Night, Oct 18, 2017
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    Yeah, but Crowley gave it a good go.
     
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