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star wars=dualism.

Discussion in 'General Astronomy Chat' started by kevan hubbard, Dec 25, 2017.

star wars=dualism.

Started by kevan hubbard on Dec 25, 2017 at 1:38 PM

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  1. kevan hubbard

    kevan hubbard Well-Known Member

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    Having recently seen 'the last Jedi' I'm becoming to see the seemingly never ending stars wars saga as a form of religious dualism.a constant battle between good and evil with no winning party.sort of reminds me of Zoroastrianism or Manichaeism. Like they did with them the public may tire and lost interest?
     
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    I think Lucas read too much Burroughs and Joseph Campbell.
     
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    Possibly Wilhelm Reich too?the force somewhat resembles orgone energy, although the concept is much older,prana,chi,etc.much later the French philosopher, Bergson had his élan vital,vital force.many have believed that they could channel this force,in Reich case using quasi scientific methods such as orgone accumulators but generally via ritual symbolic methods which I suppose must have reached its apex in' the hermetic order of the golden dawn in the outer'?
     
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    And watched too many Kurosawa movies.
     
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    Anyone want to buy my Cloud-Buster?
     
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    May the cloud be with you?
     
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    A fair bit of Carlos Castaneda too?you can buy orgone crystals to put with your plants said to aid growth. Some debate as if they work but some reports claim that they do.
     
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    Definitely Castaneda ...

     
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    I always found Castaneda difficult to read.I think that he made it up although that doesn't destroy his message. The idea of a pervading spirit energy is common in most religious beliefs. Magical beliefs differ in that they believe that they can manipulate the energy. Orgone was held to have no mass, so couldn't equate with dark matter/energy as they have mass(if they exist!).
     
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    I believe that he was a real anthropologist but admitted to making up the books.standard theme in many ways of an intangible spirit world parallel to our own.drugs where don Juans preferred method to enter this world,a kind of cactus top peyote. Never tried it so I can't comment on it's effectivness!I do however know, via firsthand experience, breathing exercises can send you into trances and images like those from neolithic rock art and aboriginal painting appear. As Spock would say, "most fascinating". I cannot say what these images are part of the architecture of a slightly oxygen starved brain or external entities? Some did however seem to display an independent consciousness?
     
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    All these tales of dualism play off a finite set of what C.G. Jung called 'archetypes' of the human mind: Good vs. Evil in this instance. Socrates was a first 'out-of-the-gate' when he proposed that goodness, and it's co-existing examples such as beauty and light. were entities that had a specific 'form' within all people - and that this proves they are supreme and correct. Which allows them to have these actual 'forms.' And on he blathered.

    He failed, however, to note that without their opposites, evil and darkness, this goodness would be impossible to see and know of. Pass the hemlock...

    I'll go away now. <POIT!>
     
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    Ah theodicy the study of evil and why it exists....if it does in an objective way?without evil you couldn't know good.religious people will go through the hoops to get God off the hook for creating evil in Christian thought usually using free will arguments.all of which is nonsense as God could have made the universe perfect rather than going through a long winded process of working towards salvation?of the platonic people I tend to like plotinus who saw the universe as created via a series of emminations. Perhaps Socrates was stuck in Plato's cave.
     
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    But without the duality of such as 'light v. dark' - would anything be perceivable? Would we be able to survive if not for "There IS a Lion around the bend v. There is NOT a Lion around the bend?"

    Argue?
     
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    I'm guessing that the universe (multiverse?)is made up of endless possibilities which only become actual upon seeing them or rather percieving them?it is consciousness that makes them real both for us and the lion.
     
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    No one expects the Copenhagen Interpretation!

     
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    I'm on the Lions' side. Those clowns above should be on the Lions' inside.....


    His Majesty, The King.jpg
    Nice Kitty!
     
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    I've had a lion on the inside.

    Screenshot 2017-12-31 at 13.13.46.png
     

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