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When Telescopes Were Measured In Inches

Discussion in 'General Astronomy Chat' started by LewC, Sep 8, 2015.

When Telescopes Were Measured In Inches

Started by LewC on Sep 8, 2015 at 10:38 AM

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  1. LewC

    LewC Well-Known Member

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    Back in the 1950s, life was simple and telescopes were measured in inches. The biggest telescopes in the world were the 200-inch Hale telescope atop Mt. Palomar, the 120-inch Shane telescope on Mt. Hamilton (Lick Observatory), and the 100-inch Hooker telescope on Mt. Wilson.

    Small telescopes, the kind that we amateurs could afford to buy or build, were also measured in inches. The first telescope I aspired to own, but never actually possessed (until a few years ago), was a 2.4-inch refractor. My first telescope of consequence was an Edmund Scientific 4-1/4-inch Palomar Jr., followed by my homemade 8-inch Newtonian (which I still have).

    Back in the 1950s, eyepieces were also measured in inches. I remember owning simple Ramsdens, Huygenses and Kellners that were marked 1/4-, 5/16-, 1/2-, 1- and 1-1/8-inches.

    Having been born into a world where baby statistics were measured in pounds and inches, it wasn't hard to figure out telescope statistics. But then the metric system reared its ugly head, and suddenly, it seemed, the Hale, Shane and Hooker telescopes and all their brethren were being measured in meters! Small telescopes like mine were suddenly experiencing millimeters and centimeters, and, oh yes, eyepieces were now measured in millimeters too.

    So now the big telescopes of the 1950s, like the English units that were originally used to measure them, are just about obsolete, and I find myself spending my days (and nights) converting English into metric and metric into English. Anyone care to buy a 5/16-inch eyepiece?
     
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    Am I correct that your 5/16 EP will give me 126x in my 39 3/8 focal length scope? Doing math with fractions does seem harder to me.

    Knowing nothing of the history of this conversion, I have wondered why some scopes are manufactured or named in inches or millimeters. The C6 is, for instance, known for being a 6" scope, but officially listed as having 150mm of aperture, so designed and made in metric. The common 8" Newt, however, is listed as having 203mm of aperture, so it is made to a "round number" in English, not metric. We could be talking about two of the most common and versatile scopes out there being the 100 refractor and the 200 dobs, but these designs were rounded off to the English system and are instead 4" and 8" scopes. Whussup wit dat?
     
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    It sounds like you would like I-19, from Tucson, AZ to Nogales, AZ. It's the only metric road in the U.S. and all the distance markers and exits are in kilometers. At least the speed limit signs are in mph. :)
     
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    All I know is 9" = 228mm the Pearl!
    Hey Keith welcome to the site and it is great to see you here.

    (aveman
     
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    Thanks (caveman! It's nice to see some familiar names here.
     
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    I used to prefer inches, but ever since I started working with CAD programs I've started liking metric more and more. When I'm designing stuff it's just much easier for me to use millimeters and work in metric. Converting is tedious though and I find myself having to do it a lot. x inches * 25.4 = y mm or y mm / 25.4 = x inches.
    I feel your pain there.
     
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    The only time I go metric on scopes is when solving for a new weight and balance for an OTA. Mainly because the scales I have do either Pounds/Ounces or Grams. It's a lot easier to use grams instead of converting pounds and ounces into tenths of pounds.
     
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    I am an engineer, and feel your pain too. Working with military jet engine parts, everything is designed in U.S. Engineering (read: English) units. But when we have to incorporate parts made from European suppliers, all hell breaks loose... That said, I also think metric units are easier to work with. It's just that US citizens are not that exposed to them as in other countries. I don't know my height in meters, and when doctors tell my baby's weight in kilograms, I don't know if she doing fine or needs to eat more!
     
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    In the context of telescopes, I can deal with inches and I can deal with millimeters, but centimeters throw me. Someone says they bought a 6.5cm Goto and I'm thinking, "Wow, a 6" refractor. No, wait."

    The change from inches to meters for the giant scopes makes sense, but it obscures the fact that that 1,000" scope we always dreamed of will soon be reality. (And here I reach for a calculator to check myself. Yup, the E-ELT will be over 1,500".)
     
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    My gas dynamics prof in college in the 70s refused to capitulate to the metric system. He often told us that if God had intended metric to be the standard, there would have been 10 apostles, not 12.
     
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    I can work in both imperial or metric, but from an engineering point of view I prefer metric, much easier on the grey matter when doing calculations.

    Telescope apeture specs to me can be in either but it is easier to work out focal ratios in metric.

    Being English I prefer my beer measure in pints but will buy wine by the litre.

    Question: A US gallon is 0.8 of an Imperial gallon. Are US pints smaller too?

    When I was apprenticed into the Royal Navy all of our engineering courses were taught in ISO units. Great....except my first submarine, an old diesal/electric boat, was all in Imperial...
     
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    1 US pint = 0.833 Imperial pint. And they say everything is bigger in the US. [​IMG]

    Metric is definitely easier to use when you need to find the middle of a board on a woodworking project.

    On a side note Frank, I lived in Suffolk for 10 years. The Mildenhall/Lakenheath area. The first six, I was in the Air Force, and stayed another four years after I retired. My wife grew up in Thetford and then moved to Beck Row, next to RAF Mildenhall. I miss a good English pint. ;)
     
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