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The planets

Discussion in 'General Astronomy Chat' started by Nebula, Dec 9, 2017.

The planets

Started by Nebula on Dec 9, 2017 at 12:05 PM

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  1. Dave In Vermont

    Dave In Vermont Well-Known Member

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    I wasn't suggesting anyone buy that ridiculous colour filter collection. I regard it as a joke!

    I think the idea is that the #58 Green dims out the brightness of both stars - as from just the general brightness that stars have - as well as the violet-scatter of chromatic-abberation. If so, it would help in all types of telescope. As for the Light-Green filter, who knows - but I was wondering the same thing myself. It sounds to be a very worthy experiement. And other filters, too! Hell - throw the whole damn Orion 20-Pc. set at 'em! :p

    I've always suggested experimenting with filters. There's more than enough room in the field of colour-perception and uses. It's nowhere near a fully explored field of endeavor.

    $229US is $390CDN?? That can't be right! What's the current exchange-rate?

    Off to answer some questions on Crayford's and types of diagonals...

    <sLaM!> - sorry 'bout that - it was the wind!
     
  2. Mak the Night

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    I think the #58 is more useful than the #56 for lunar viewing. Its lower transmission helps with glare on a bright Moon and the colour is more natural.

    I think my three most used Wratten filters are the #11, #82A and #21. With the #58 as a close fourth. Although I tend to use the Baader Orange equivalent of the #21.
     
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  3. Nebula

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    I looked up Amazon.ca they don't charge taxes for the kit of filter so the final price is 337.43$. Usually we have to take the total and add 2 taxes all the time in Canada so 337.43 x 1.14975 = 387.96$, but not the case this time apparently.

    If I order from Amazon.com in the US, have a total or $277.27 this after the exchange rate should be 357.12.
     
  4. Nebula

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    This time I put the moon aside, I want to pick colors for the planets in priority with mars first importance because of the unique opposition in 2018. Mars, Jupiter, Venus, and Saturn.
     
  5. Nebula

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    @dave in vermont I wasn't suggesting anyone buy that ridiculous colour filter collection. I regard it as a joke!

    I think it's a great suggestion I actually would like to own that case very much.. but it's just too much money. I can't accept to withdraw 357$ from my bank account for a set of 20 colors. It's like buying a car with extra diameter mags.
     
  6. Mak the Night

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    Well, Yellow-Green is good on all those, especially Mars and Saturn. I found the #11 had as much efficacy as a Baader Neodymium for revealing maria on Mars, which surprised me to be honest. A few weeks after the Mars opposition you should get a better view of the polar caps (or at least the northern one). Basically, Mars is going to look small even at 200x.

    mars1.jpg

    You can just see the northern polar cap at the bottom of this Virtual Planet Atlas image, the white patch at the top is an albedo feature often mistaken for the polar cap.

    mars2.jpg

    This is an enlarged VMA view of a few weeks after the last opposition showing the northern cap at the bottom. The southern cap wasn't visible to me anyway but I did see the albedo feature.

    mars2 - fx.jpg

    I've used PhotoFiltre 7 and GIMP to represent using blue and green filters. I don't think I've got the colour shade particularly right (especially with the blue), but you can see the effect they have in making all albedo features including the northern polar cap, more contrasted in a tiny target.

    mars3 fx.jpg

    I found the #82A Light Blue and #56 Light Green really good for revealing the northern polar cap. I didn't try the #58 Dark Green on Mars, but I would think it would act in a similar way, especially on a 200mm aperture.
     
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  7. Dave In Vermont

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    I'd get the .357! Place it to my temple. And squeeze the trigger! <!!BANG!!> :eek: Before I pulled the trigger on a set of filters that would only be used a few times. I'd save the money, acrue the interest, and then buy as needed. Read: Hang onto your principal.

    But that's me. Please to do as pleases you. <WooF!!>

    Now then -

    Very cool pictoral on colour-filters on Mars (sounds like a poor 1950's horror flick) and the Northern-Polar Cap. A lovely thing it is, too! The 2003 opposition showed me BOTH Polar-Caps like two tufts of cotton in my eyepiece. And the Zeta-Reticulan Saucers busily filling in the canals they'd dug in the 1880's to drive Ol' Percy* straight up a wall!

    Keep hunting that filter! 'Used' market. Damn you, Sirius Optics!!

    And on the Dark Lords' Manor front: Screwy Stu-ey PUD censored a top members' post recently when he followed my lead in talking to Avani - in Portuguese (with translations). So PUDdles tore his post up! It was 'Mars' (I forget the letter & numbers after that - from Australia) - so I sent him a PMand invited him to come over here and see what he thinks. And to please keep this place under-his-hat.
    Lowell
    So don't be surprised if.....:p

    Bombs' Away!

    R & D

    * Percival Lowell
     
  8. Mak the Night

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    The Zeta Reticulans have always denied originally digging the canals.

    MaxthonSnap20171210180816.jpg

    How do they explain these photo's then?

    MaxthonSnap20171210180904.jpg
     
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  9. Nebula

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    No but I want to have a few color filters, and when I need them, I don't have them, this is over now.

    I saw how good they are on the moon the #21 and the #80a. So I ordered 8 more filters from Agena today and following your suggestions. I want to make 2018 a planet year especially with the mars opposition.

    I ordered these for a total of 166 CAD and it will be fun to compare them together on the planets. The #58 was not available from Agena, that's the reason why it's not on the list, so i've got the #56 instead light green.

    Those in green are your favorites Mak.
    GSO 1.25" Color / Planetary Filter - #23A Light Red OFIL-GS-1FIL-23A 1 $11.70
    GSO 1.25" Color / Planetary Filter - #38A Dark Blue OFIL-GS-1FIL-38A 1 $11.70
    GSO 1.25" Color / Planetary Filter - #56 Green OFIL-GS-1FIL-56 1 $11.70
    GSO 1.25" Color / Planetary Filter - #12 Yellow OFIL-GS-1FIL-12 1 $11.70
    GSO 1.25" Color / Planetary Filter - #11 Yellow / Green OFIL-GS-1FIL-11 1 $11.70
    GSO 1.25" Color / Planetary Filter - #82A Light Blue OFIL-GS-1FIL-82A 1 $11.70

    GSO 1.25" Color / Planetary Filter - #47 Violet OFIL-GS-1FIL-47 1 $11.70
    GSO 1.25" Color / Planetary Filter - #25 Red OFIL-GS-1FIL-25 1 $11.70

    If they are useless, ill sell them on the craiglist and never talk about it no more. I wanted these filters since day 1.
     
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  10. Mak the Night

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    Opinions on filters are often quite divisive but I find they're very useful. It depends on a lot of factors I think. The way an individual perceives colour being a major contributor to their efficacy in use.

    I'm looking forward to the Mars opposition, I think I should get a lot of Martian observing with my 150mm Newtonian, and hopefully some with my 235mm SCT. The 10mm Delos and 18.2mm DeLite will get used in the SCT. The DeLite Barlows (and reduces) very well. I originally bought the DeLite for the last Mars opposition.

    TeleVue Bandmate Planetary 2.jpg

    I'm hoping to try the Baader Contrast Booster, Semi-Apo and TeleVue Bandmate Planetary filters particularly.
     
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  11. Nebula

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    Thats what I see yes, division on filters so like Dave say, I need to do my own tests myself with these filters to build my own opinions. But I am very sensible, it's my kind of thing, noticing subtleties, probably like you guys.

    This is my 2018 goal in astronomy, to do many observation of Mars and the other planets, log this in form of sketches has I always try to do. I can't wait for the opposition, in 6 months.

    What is your plan to handle the large 235mm ? do you have an assistant or a specific strategy ? It's looking good, you have many interesting eyepieces and filters to try too.
     
  12. Mak the Night

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    The SCT is a Celestron NexStar Evolution. I can assemble it but it takes time. It has a GOTO though and I have a StarSense for it. Once it's set up the GOTO will do all the finding and I'll just be along for the ride.
     
  13. Nebula

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    The Nextstar 9.25, I don't know nothing about it, Celestron has too many different SCT but how is it, do you like it?
     
  14. Dave In Vermont

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    Mak? Where in the devil did you get those pictures?! :eek: :D :D

    Did YOU do those? They're VERY good!

    R & D


    PS - No change in status in the USPS Tracking of my Skyglow and 6mm Eyepiece! It only say 'DELAYED' with no location data available whatsoever. Now Amazon wants to know if I like the products and wish to re-order more!

    <strapping-on my .40 Isreali Jericho pistol...(cue 'Shoot-out Music)>
     
  15. Mak the Night

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    It's big.
     
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    The Zeta Reticulan pictures were from their website: www.sneakyzetareticulans.com

    We have about half a metre of snow to play with here so I've been informed some things will be delayed. It's really quiet where I live and it's not often cars drive through my street. Last night I saw a Range Rover pulling a couple of people on skis go right past my house. I kid you not. If only the Old Bill had seen them lol.
     
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    Snow didn't hamper the delivery of the 1.25" UltraBlock though.

    ultrablock.jpg
     
  18. Dave In Vermont

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    People on skies being pulled by cars & trucks is very Norman Rockwell/Vermont. Utterly normal stuff. Snow I'm not phased by. Ice-Storms are my hate.

    The Ultrablock looks just like mine - same package. Stiff platic-foam. My Skyglow just arrived. Off to un-box it and the 6mm Astromania EP.

    'Ta,

    Woof!
     
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    It will be interesting to compare the UltraBlock with the Lumicon UHC, I'm guessing I'll have to wait for the snow to thaw though. lol

    I've been in the Austrian Tyrol and Bavaria in winter and they deal with snow relatively easily. They can have huge snowfalls in New York and very little stops. A couple of centimetres of snow here and the whole bloody country grinds to a halt.
     
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